Abysmal damage even when I meet the requirements - Guild Wars Forums

Madman100 · Jun 08, 2007, 09:36 AM // 09:36

So I'm working on an E/W (I know what you're gonna say, so can it) and whenever I'm attacking with my axe or sword, I'm doing absolutely abysmal damage. Like for a 6-22 dmg axe (which I meet the requirements for) even with a sundering mod, I'm still hitting mesmer mobs around my level in the regions of 6s to 11s. Is this because I'm not a warrior primary? I'm pretty sure the wiki explained that your skill doesn't take part in the damage calculation save for whether the damage range is halved, but I don't think that's happening because I'm never hitting for less that my min damage on whatever weapon I'm using.

Thanks.

onerabbit · Jun 08, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Well seeing as your axe does "6" - X dmg .. i see nothing wrong with you hitting 6s

Water Angel · Jun 08, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

it also depend of the req of your axe.
if your axe req is 11+ and u have max 12 axe mastery your damage will be crap.

the rule is easy :more the difference between weapon req and poitnts in mastery increas more dmg u will do.

test in balth on dummy, if no belive me : at 12 axe mastery with a 6-28 axe u will do more dmg if the axe req is 8 than if it was 12.closer the req is to ur points in mastery less dmg u will do.if same req as points put in u will only deal the min always or mostly.

so instance again :axe dmg 6-28 req 8 mastery 12 dmg > axe 6-28 req 12 mastery dmg.

with the only minimum in axe mastery u need for the weapon u will always deal the minimum dmg.

that why. :P

Nikki Moonlight · Jun 08, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

water angel... Thats completely untrue. if you have 12 in axe mastery, you will do 100% damage (of that stated on the axe), reguardless of the requirement (So long as it isn't requirement 13)

Madman100 · Jun 08, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Aha, so the attribute does factor into the dmg calculation. Seems the wiki was wrong :P Thanks for your help.

Whispering Siren · Jun 08, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37

I would trust the wiki.

EDIT: most things there have been tested, tested again, and retested.

Shaz · Jun 08, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikki Moonlight

water angel... Thats completely untrue. if you have 12 in axe mastery, you will do 100% damage (of that stated on the axe), reguardless of the requirement (So long as it isn't requirement 13)

What he say ^. Water Angle is wrong, high/low req weapon doesn't affect your damage.

Some Guru Named Kai · Jun 08, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Madman100, don't forget about warrior's primary attribute, Strength. It gives them armor penetration. Also, the higher the points you have in the weapon attribute, will give it a higher chance to hit the high end of the weapon. On a 6-22 axe in your case will mean, the more axe attribute points gives you more chances of hitting 20's.

So just barely having points in axe to meet the requirement will give you a low base damage.

Water Angel · Jun 08, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

i was trusting wiki too before.

was using a req 9 bow with 9 in mastery.my damage was crap,always around min hardly over.when upped atributes to 16 the dmg considerably increased.

ofc w/o use any skills.just basic dmg.

so i no see any explanation to fact dmg incrased from min to more when upped atributes.

+ on other site, no rememeber which, found a whole thread about dmg calculation etc, where it was pointied with the min req rek for weapon the dmg wont be optimal....what i could see myself with the bow instance.

Luna Star · Jun 08, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

you should read this
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

Sophitia Leafblade · Jun 08, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

The damage ur going to do is also going to be highly dependandt on the enemy ur facing's AL, if ur trying to use ur axe on a Kourna whose under AL boosts for example, ur not going to do alot of damage.

Kakumei · Jun 08, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Water Angel

i was trusting wiki too before.

was using a req 9 bow with 9 in mastery.my damage was crap,always around min hardly over.when upped atributes to 16 the dmg considerably increased.

ofc w/o use any skills.just basic dmg.

so i no see any explanation to fact dmg incrased from min to more when upped atributes.

+ on other site, no rememeber which, found a whole thread about dmg calculation etc, where it was pointied with the min req rek for weapon the dmg wont be optimal....what i could see myself with the bow instance.

That has nothing to do with the req of the weapon. Raising the attribute will boost your damage, no matter whether it's a req 8 weapon or a req 12.

Water Angel · Jun 08, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

u get additional dmg for each additional atribute point in mastery OVER the req of the wepon.u may have 13 mastery if req is 13 the dmg will be minimal.and more dmg will come only from the 3 bonus atribute points who are over the req of wepon,so +3 till 16

so on a weapon with lower reqired the minmal dmg is already trigered at 8 mastery for instance and all the rest is bonus,so here will be +8 for 16...wahts more than the +3 fro ma req 13 wepon...

but nvm.guess cant convice all almighty guru lovers.

cheers.as long as the op got helped...

Kakumei · Jun 08, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Water Angel

u get additional dmg for each additional atribute point in mastery OVER the req of the wepon.u may have 13 mastery if req is 13 the dmg will be minimal.and more dmg will come only from the 3 bonus atribute points who are over the req of wepon,so +3 till 16

so on a weapon with lower reqired the minmal dmg is already trigered at 8 mastery for instance and all the rest is bonus,so here will be +8 for 16...wahts more than the +3 fro ma req 13 wepon...

but nvm.guess cant convice all almighty guru lovers.

cheers.as long as the op got helped...

Well, of course you aren't going to convince anyone with incorrect information. It's the attribute level that matters, not the difference between your attribute and the req of your weapon--at 12 weapon mastery, you do 100% damage. Going above or below that changes the damage respectively. So long as you meet the req, it doesn't matter what it is.

This has been tested and retested--hell, I'll test it again myself now.

Req 9 hammer
Req 11 hammer

GranDeWun · Jun 08, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Water Angel

u get additional dmg for each additional atribute point in mastery OVER the req of the weapon.

As the pictures above show, this assertion is false.

The OP's damage numbers are actually very plausible, given no armor pen from strength, and a max of 12 in mastery.

Etta · Jun 08, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I'm rather interest on what build is the op using? Care to share, Madman?

ShadowsRequiem · Jun 08, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

I'm rather interest on what build is the op using? Care to share, Madman?

the old crappy E/W conjure with a sword, but hey who doesnt love warrior with 60 al?
.......................

Lady Callingwell · Jun 08, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

IF([weapon mastery]>12;2^((2*([weapon mastery])-24)/40);2^((5*[weapon mastery]-60)/40))

Multiplier based on weapon mastery (crit chances also improve, approximaltely according to 1,436*[weapon mastery]/100+0,2588/100) counts as soon as you meet the req, after that there is no more influence coming from the req as you can see in the formula. As the function is expontential (increase decreased after 12 though) the attribute points invested provide increasingly better returns. So meeting a req at 7 still means you get a factor of 0.65 on your weapon damage which makes it really low, 12 gets you 1 and 16 gives you 1.15 to give you a bit of an idea. Also crit rate improves which takes average damage up even further.

Water Angel · Jun 08, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

not really conviced ....but nvm.^^

Etta · Jun 08, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

the old crappy E/W conjure with a sword, but hey who doesnt love warrior with 60 al?
.......................

I was thinking about that build. Then I thought to myself no he can't be using it, that build was a joke! I thought it might be homemade farming build. Ah well nevermind.

Jun 08, 2007, 09:36 AM // 09:36	#1
Madman100 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2007 Profession: E/W	Abysmal damage even when I meet the requirements So I'm working on an E/W (I know what you're gonna say, so can it) and whenever I'm attacking with my axe or sword, I'm doing absolutely abysmal damage. Like for a 6-22 dmg axe (which I meet the requirements for) even with a sundering mod, I'm still hitting mesmer mobs around my level in the regions of 6s to 11s. Is this because I'm not a warrior primary? I'm pretty sure the wiki explained that your skill doesn't take part in the damage calculation save for whether the damage range is halved, but I don't think that's happening because I'm never hitting for less that my min damage on whatever weapon I'm using. Thanks.

Jun 08, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21	#3
Water Angel Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Profession: Me/E	it also depend of the req of your axe. if your axe req is 11+ and u have max 12 axe mastery your damage will be crap. the rule is easy :more the difference between weapon req and poitnts in mastery increas more dmg u will do. test in balth on dummy, if no belive me : at 12 axe mastery with a 6-28 axe u will do more dmg if the axe req is 8 than if it was 12.closer the req is to ur points in mastery less dmg u will do.if same req as points put in u will only deal the min always or mostly. so instance again :axe dmg 6-28 req 8 mastery 12 dmg > axe 6-28 req 12 mastery dmg. with the only minimum in axe mastery u need for the weapon u will always deal the minimum dmg. that why. :P Last edited by Water Angel; Jun 08, 2007 at 10:24 AM // 10:24..

Jun 08, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33	#4
Nikki Moonlight Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brighton, England Guild: Ice Cold Elements [ICE] Profession: Mo/	water angel... Thats completely untrue. if you have 12 in axe mastery, you will do 100% damage (of that stated on the axe), reguardless of the requirement (So long as it isn't requirement 13) Last edited by Nikki Moonlight; Jun 08, 2007 at 10:36 AM // 10:36..

Jun 08, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37	#6
Whispering Siren Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Maryland	I would trust the wiki. EDIT: most things there have been tested, tested again, and retested. Last edited by Whispering Siren; Jun 08, 2007 at 10:42 AM // 10:42..

Jun 08, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#2
onerabbit Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Thanks to all the guru [mods]	Well seeing as your axe does "6" - X dmg .. i see nothing wrong with you hitting 6s

Jun 08, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34	#5
Madman100 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2007 Profession: E/W	Aha, so the attribute does factor into the dmg calculation. Seems the wiki was wrong :P Thanks for your help.

Jun 08, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48	#8
Some Guru Named Kai Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: westAscalon4lyfe? Guild: Giggity Giggity [GOO] Profession: W/	Madman100, don't forget about warrior's primary attribute, Strength. It gives them armor penetration. Also, the higher the points you have in the weapon attribute, will give it a higher chance to hit the high end of the weapon. On a 6-22 axe in your case will mean, the more axe attribute points gives you more chances of hitting 20's. So just barely having points in axe to meet the requirement will give you a low base damage.

Jun 08, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04	#9
Water Angel Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Profession: Me/E	i was trusting wiki too before. was using a req 9 bow with 9 in mastery.my damage was crap,always around min hardly over.when upped atributes to 16 the dmg considerably increased. ofc w/o use any skills.just basic dmg. so i no see any explanation to fact dmg incrased from min to more when upped atributes. + on other site, no rememeber which, found a whole thread about dmg calculation etc, where it was pointied with the min req rek for weapon the dmg wont be optimal....what i could see myself with the bow instance.

Jun 08, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30	#10
Luna Star Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007	you should read this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

Jun 08, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53	#11
Sophitia Leafblade Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG] Profession: R/	The damage ur going to do is also going to be highly dependandt on the enemy ur facing's AL, if ur trying to use ur axe on a Kourna whose under AL boosts for example, ur not going to do alot of damage.

Jun 08, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11	#13
Water Angel Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Profession: Me/E	u get additional dmg for each additional atribute point in mastery OVER the req of the wepon.u may have 13 mastery if req is 13 the dmg will be minimal.and more dmg will come only from the 3 bonus atribute points who are over the req of wepon,so +3 till 16 so on a weapon with lower reqired the minmal dmg is already trigered at 8 mastery for instance and all the rest is bonus,so here will be +8 for 16...wahts more than the +3 fro ma req 13 wepon... but nvm.guess cant convice all almighty guru lovers. cheers.as long as the op got helped...

Jun 08, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44	#16
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	I'm rather interest on what build is the op using? Care to share, Madman?

Jun 08, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02	#18
Lady Callingwell Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Lightning Strikes Twice [LST] Profession: Me/	IF([weapon mastery]>12;2^((2([weapon mastery])-24)/40);2^((5[weapon mastery]-60)/40)) Multiplier based on weapon mastery (crit chances also improve, approximaltely according to 1,436*[weapon mastery]/100+0,2588/100) counts as soon as you meet the req, after that there is no more influence coming from the req as you can see in the formula. As the function is expontential (increase decreased after 12 though) the attribute points invested provide increasingly better returns. So meeting a req at 7 still means you get a factor of 0.65 on your weapon damage which makes it really low, 12 gets you 1 and 16 gives you 1.15 to give you a bit of an idea. Also crit rate improves which takes average damage up even further.

Jun 08, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59	#19
Water Angel Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Profession: Me/E	not really conviced ....but nvm.^^